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*Proof the iKooks have lied for years - or - more to the point - have been IGNORANT for years*
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Wally J
Sep 4, 2023, 2:23:01 PM9/4/23
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*Proof the iKooks have lied for years - or - more to the point -
the iKooks have all been completely IGNORANT for years about Apple*
The iKooks set the narrative for this ng to their child-like imaginary
belief systems - which - when you dig deeper - are devoid of any fact!
If adults didn't provide the truth about Apple on this newsgroup, it
would still be filled with the imaginary belief system of the iKooks.
1. For years, child-like iKooks claimed Apple fully patched older releases
2. The reason is the iKooks are completely ignorant of what Apple does
3. I am who posted to the newsgroup that Apple only fully patches 1 release
4. Which all the iKooks complained was not what they thought the case was
Which is fine... but
5. Then the iKooks started claiming that Apple patched 1 bug in older iOS'
6. Where Jolly Roger & Alan Baker claimed that means they're fully patched
7. Which is not supported by what Apple themselves clearly stated they do
8. In every case, the iKooks are completely ignorant of everything they say
If it wasn't for the adults on this newsgroup, the entire content would
be what the child-like low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks erroneously think.
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
The low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks have said, for years,
that Apple fully patches the older releases, when even Apple
has never claimed that they do that (because they don't).
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
Still, the ignorant iKooks (Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, and nospam)
continued to foment their child-like imaginary belief systems devoid of facts.
I had to tell the ignorant uneducated iKooks about this fact
(which even Steve was unaware of until I told him also).
In addition, I had to tell the ignorant child-like low-IQ iKooks that
only in iOS 16 did Apple chip away at the monoslab release structure
with the RSR capability that every other operating system has long used.
*About Rapid Security Responses - only available in iOS 16 and up*
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
Given that the iKooks have fomented their child-like ignorant imaginary
belief systems on this newsgroup for years - the only solution to that
problem is to get rid of these three most prolific iKooks from this ng.
Jolly Roger => claims Apple fully patches older releases when they don't
nospam => claims imaginary apps for iOS that simply do not exist
Alan Browne => is so ignorant he has never heard of the walled garden
the iKooks have all been completely IGNORANT for years about Apple*
The iKooks set the narrative for this ng to their child-like imaginary
belief systems - which - when you dig deeper - are devoid of any fact!
If adults didn't provide the truth about Apple on this newsgroup, it
would still be filled with the imaginary belief system of the iKooks.
1. For years, child-like iKooks claimed Apple fully patched older releases
2. The reason is the iKooks are completely ignorant of what Apple does
3. I am who posted to the newsgroup that Apple only fully patches 1 release
4. Which all the iKooks complained was not what they thought the case was
Which is fine... but
5. Then the iKooks started claiming that Apple patched 1 bug in older iOS'
6. Where Jolly Roger & Alan Baker claimed that means they're fully patched
7. Which is not supported by what Apple themselves clearly stated they do
8. In every case, the iKooks are completely ignorant of everything they say
If it wasn't for the adults on this newsgroup, the entire content would
be what the child-like low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks erroneously think.
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
The low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks have said, for years,
that Apple fully patches the older releases, when even Apple
has never claimed that they do that (because they don't).
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
Still, the ignorant iKooks (Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, and nospam)
continued to foment their child-like imaginary belief systems devoid of facts.
I had to tell the ignorant uneducated iKooks about this fact
(which even Steve was unaware of until I told him also).
In addition, I had to tell the ignorant child-like low-IQ iKooks that
only in iOS 16 did Apple chip away at the monoslab release structure
with the RSR capability that every other operating system has long used.
*About Rapid Security Responses - only available in iOS 16 and up*
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
Given that the iKooks have fomented their child-like ignorant imaginary
belief systems on this newsgroup for years - the only solution to that
problem is to get rid of these three most prolific iKooks from this ng.
Jolly Roger => claims Apple fully patches older releases when they don't
nospam => claims imaginary apps for iOS that simply do not exist
Alan Browne => is so ignorant he has never heard of the walled garden
Jolly Roger
Sep 4, 2023, 3:32:23 PM9/4/23
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On 2023-09-04, Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> *Proof the iKooks have lied for years - or - more to the point -
> the iKooks have all been completely IGNORANT for years about Apple*
>
> The iKooks set the narrative for this ng to their child-like imaginary
> belief systems - which - when you dig deeper - are devoid of any fact!
>
> If adults didn't provide the truth about Apple on this newsgroup, it
> would still be filled with the imaginary belief system of the iKooks.
>
> 1. For years, child-like iKooks claimed Apple fully patched older
> releases
Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
> *Proof the iKooks have lied for years - or - more to the point -
> the iKooks have all been completely IGNORANT for years about Apple*
>
> The iKooks set the narrative for this ng to their child-like imaginary
> belief systems - which - when you dig deeper - are devoid of any fact!
>
> If adults didn't provide the truth about Apple on this newsgroup, it
> would still be filled with the imaginary belief system of the iKooks.
>
> 1. For years, child-like iKooks claimed Apple fully patched older
> releases
older releases". As is so often the case, Arlen's child-like mind is
incapable of seeing nuance, so he just blurts out straight-up lies like
this in place of the more nuanced truth. Meanwhile, it is on record that
little Arlen here has yet to point out JUST ONE (he loves that phrase)
bug that Apple patched in the latest release that wasn't patched in
older releases. He hasn't because he can't. And that's because he
doesn't know anything about how Apple actually patches their operating
systems. As with so many of his kind today, every accusation is a
confession with poor, little Arlen.
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
Wally J
Sep 4, 2023, 7:12:56 PM9/4/23
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
> older releases".
Heh heh heh...
Given *iOS has the _shortest_ support lifecycle in the industry*(, and
Windows has the longest - but Android isn't too far behind Windows on
longevity, you ignorant uneducated low-IQ religious zealot iKooks have
always said otherwise.
Just like you ignorant iKooks denied the entire Apple battery-throttling
affair (which Apple paid billions for), you iKooks are oblivious of facts.
> has yet to point out JUST ONE (he loves that phrase)
> bug that Apple patched in the latest release that wasn't patched in
> older releases.
Heh heh heh...
Again, your child-like brain assumes that anyone but Apple knows the
complete list of bugs in any release - which only a child would think.
> He hasn't because he can't.
Heh heh heh...
What's obvious is your brain is stunted at the level that you ask a
question which everyone but you knows has no answer (outside of Apple).
Then... using the 60 IQ that God invested in your child-like brain, you use
that impossible question as your ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM that Apple has,
indeed, patched every known but that Apple knows about in that release.
> And that's because he
> doesn't know anything about how Apple actually patches their operating
> systems.
It's no longer shocking how child-like your 60 IQ brain is, much like
someone who tells me the world is 8000 years old (or whatever) because it
says so in the Bible.
> As with so many of his kind today, every accusation is a confession
What's proof that your brain is that of a small child, Jolly Roger, is you
ask a question like (name all the people in the world with Covid right
now), and then, when nobody but the health industry can answer that
question, you claim that since I can't name everyone in the world that has
Covid, your child-like brain screams out *Aha! Nobody has Covid then!*
It's no longer shocking how child-like the iKooks are, where I ascertain
if we got rid of just these four or five uneducated ignorant iKooks,
the level of discourse on this ng would instantly rise to that of an adult.
Jolly Roger -> claims nobody has covid if I can't identify everyone with it
nospam -> fabricates thousands of apps for each function iOS can't do
Alan Browne -> ignorantly claims Apple has no flaws & no walled garden
Joerg Lorenz & Alan Baker -> can't contribute one iota of value to anything
> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
> older releases".
Given *iOS has the _shortest_ support lifecycle in the industry*(, and
Windows has the longest - but Android isn't too far behind Windows on
longevity, you ignorant uneducated low-IQ religious zealot iKooks have
always said otherwise.
Just like you ignorant iKooks denied the entire Apple battery-throttling
affair (which Apple paid billions for), you iKooks are oblivious of facts.
> has yet to point out JUST ONE (he loves that phrase)
> bug that Apple patched in the latest release that wasn't patched in
> older releases.
Again, your child-like brain assumes that anyone but Apple knows the
complete list of bugs in any release - which only a child would think.
> He hasn't because he can't.
What's obvious is your brain is stunted at the level that you ask a
question which everyone but you knows has no answer (outside of Apple).
Then... using the 60 IQ that God invested in your child-like brain, you use
that impossible question as your ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM that Apple has,
indeed, patched every known but that Apple knows about in that release.
> And that's because he
> doesn't know anything about how Apple actually patches their operating
> systems.
someone who tells me the world is 8000 years old (or whatever) because it
says so in the Bible.
> As with so many of his kind today, every accusation is a confession
ask a question like (name all the people in the world with Covid right
now), and then, when nobody but the health industry can answer that
question, you claim that since I can't name everyone in the world that has
Covid, your child-like brain screams out *Aha! Nobody has Covid then!*
It's no longer shocking how child-like the iKooks are, where I ascertain
if we got rid of just these four or five uneducated ignorant iKooks,
the level of discourse on this ng would instantly rise to that of an adult.
Jolly Roger -> claims nobody has covid if I can't identify everyone with it
nospam -> fabricates thousands of apps for each function iOS can't do
Alan Browne -> ignorantly claims Apple has no flaws & no walled garden
Joerg Lorenz & Alan Baker -> can't contribute one iota of value to anything
Jolly Roger
Sep 4, 2023, 8:03:01 PM9/4/23
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On 2023-09-04, Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
>> older releases".
>
> Heh heh heh...
Little Arlen can't back up his lies, so he giggles and slings schoolyard
>
>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
>> older releases".
>
> Heh heh heh...
insults instead. =
Wally J
Sep 4, 2023, 8:57:56 PM9/4/23
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
> can't back up his lies
The fact is Apple only fully supports a single iOS release.
Notice iKooks can't ever formulate an adult response to that fact.
For years, iKooks claimed Apple fully supported older iOS releases.
Since that's dead wrong, the question is why did the iKooks say that?
a. They're ignorant
b. They lied
--
HINT: They didn't lie because they actually _believed_ what they said.
> can't back up his lies
Notice iKooks can't ever formulate an adult response to that fact.
For years, iKooks claimed Apple fully supported older iOS releases.
Since that's dead wrong, the question is why did the iKooks say that?
a. They're ignorant
b. They lied
--
HINT: They didn't lie because they actually _believed_ what they said.
Alan
Sep 5, 2023, 1:57:39 AM9/5/23
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On 2023-09-04 20:59, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> can't back up his lies
>
> The fact is Apple only fully supports a single iOS release.
> Notice iKooks can't ever formulate an adult response to that fact.
>
> For years, iKooks claimed Apple fully supported older iOS releases.
And yet you can't produce a single quote.
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> can't back up his lies
>
> The fact is Apple only fully supports a single iOS release.
> Notice iKooks can't ever formulate an adult response to that fact.
>
> For years, iKooks claimed Apple fully supported older iOS releases.
John
Sep 5, 2023, 3:55:30 PM9/5/23
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Jörg Lorenz
Sep 6, 2023, 1:58:46 AM9/6/23
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Am 05.09.23 um 02:02 schrieb Jolly Roger:
Why are you feeding this Troll and wasting our time?
--
Alea iacta est
> On 2023-09-04, Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>>
>>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
>>> older releases".
>>
>> Heh heh heh...
>
> Little Arlen can't back up his lies, so he giggles and slings schoolyard
> insults instead. =
You seem to be the bigger Troll than Arlen.
>> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>>
>>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
>>> older releases".
>>
>> Heh heh heh...
>
> Little Arlen can't back up his lies, so he giggles and slings schoolyard
> insults instead. =
Why are you feeding this Troll and wasting our time?
--
Alea iacta est
Alan
Sep 6, 2023, 9:46:44 AM9/6/23
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I haven't.
So I take what amusement I can from them.
rdh
Sep 6, 2023, 10:09:14 AM9/6/23
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Why are you so upset about what other people are using? Who are you
trying to convince, us, or yourself?
--
~rdh
trying to convince, us, or yourself?
--
~rdh
Alan Browne
Sep 6, 2023, 10:47:45 AM9/6/23
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Regrettably around here not enough people subscribe to it.
--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase
Wally J
Sep 6, 2023, 11:16:54 AM9/6/23
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rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote
> Why are you so upset about what other people are using? Who are you
> trying to convince, us, or yourself?
Hi rdh,
That's a valid question where you don't know the history of this ng.
Many years ago, when I bought my first (of many) iOS devices, I came here
asking for help where I had asked for years on the Linux & Windows groups.
Unlike the adult operating system newsgroups, when I asked for, oh say, a
graphical debugger that shows signal strength for all nearby cellular
towers and access points, the correct answer turned out iOS can't do it.
But it took multiple threads of hundreds of posts to get to that answer.
Why?
Because the sadistic iKooks like Jolly Roger and nospam and Alan Browne
(and Lewis in those days) led every user on a doomed-to-fail wild-goose
chase claiming the apps existed but never naming them and then repeating
that they "told you so" (which is another of nospam's sadistic lies).
This didn't happen only to me.
It happened to everyone who asked any question about iOS functionality.
It turns out there are thousands (upon thousands!) of useful things every
other operating system easily does that the walled garden iOS can't do.
But the iKooks send _everyone_ on their sadistic claims of purely imaginary
functionality which, when the innocent user tries to do it - he fails.
Then, to add to their sadism, the iKooks viciously attack every user (just
watch every post from Jolly Roger) and the iKooks claim that there isn't
any walled garden stopping you from doing what every other platform easily
does (just watch Alan Browne) or the iKooks claim that anything every other
operating system does isn't needed nor wanted by any of the billions of iOS
owners (just watch nospam).
If you ask why Apple does the bad things that Apple does (e.g., throttling
and removing functionality such as the common industry standard headphone
ports), they'll blame every other company on the planet saying all those
companies forced Apple to do all the bad things Apple does (like removing
the charger from the box).
Note it's EVERYONE that they sadistically send on wild-goose chases.
If you search for that keyword, for example, you'll find many.
Even David Empson and Michelle Steiner got sick of the low-IQ ignorant
uneducated iKooks always sadistically sending people on wild goose chases
such as when Jolly Roger and nospam repeatedly claimed - for years - that
iOS could back up the IPA like Android does - but it can't (the entire IPA
backup process is so primitively non functional compared to that of every
other operating system that David Empson had to chastise the ignorant
iKooks many times).
There are good people in this world who do care to help people, but the
iKooks are not good people. They're despicable pieces of human excrement.
It's not so much that they're uneducated (Jolly Roger tried three times to
get his GED and failed) nor that they're brazen liars (nospam claims
thousand of apps that simply don't exist) nor that they're shockingly
ignorant (Alan Browne has never in his entire life ever heard of the walled
garden)... it's not that.
It's that they're all sadistic religious zealots who will lead any innocent
user astray on purpose - hell - they lied for years that Apple supported
more than one release when they knew Apple only supports a single release.
Eveyrthing out of the iKooks is a lie.
Nothing they ever say is to be helpful.
It's as if the iKooks are religious zealots who are so sadistically
inclined that they will lead anyone and everyone astray if those innocent
people dare to ask a question which puts iOS in a bad light.
And, unfortunately for the iKooks, given iOS can't do thousand upon
thousands upon thousands of useful things all other operating systems
easily do - they have to make every thread that should be one post into a
hundred because of their sadistic perverse lies.
BTW, I've done multiple experiments comparing the child-like Apple
newsgroups to the adult operating system newsgroups by asking the EXACT
SAME QUESTION on both newsgroups - and it's _always_ the Apple newsgroups
that devolve almost instantly into the sadistic child-like lies.
Jolly Roger -> viciously attacks anyone who dares to say the truth
instantly the level of discourse would rise to that of the adult OS ngs.
--
I have only two purposes on Apple newsgroups - one is to learn and dispense
knowledge and the other is to show the sadistic iKooks for what they are.
> Why are you so upset about what other people are using? Who are you
> trying to convince, us, or yourself?
That's a valid question where you don't know the history of this ng.
Many years ago, when I bought my first (of many) iOS devices, I came here
asking for help where I had asked for years on the Linux & Windows groups.
Unlike the adult operating system newsgroups, when I asked for, oh say, a
graphical debugger that shows signal strength for all nearby cellular
towers and access points, the correct answer turned out iOS can't do it.
But it took multiple threads of hundreds of posts to get to that answer.
Why?
Because the sadistic iKooks like Jolly Roger and nospam and Alan Browne
(and Lewis in those days) led every user on a doomed-to-fail wild-goose
chase claiming the apps existed but never naming them and then repeating
that they "told you so" (which is another of nospam's sadistic lies).
This didn't happen only to me.
It happened to everyone who asked any question about iOS functionality.
It turns out there are thousands (upon thousands!) of useful things every
other operating system easily does that the walled garden iOS can't do.
But the iKooks send _everyone_ on their sadistic claims of purely imaginary
functionality which, when the innocent user tries to do it - he fails.
Then, to add to their sadism, the iKooks viciously attack every user (just
watch every post from Jolly Roger) and the iKooks claim that there isn't
any walled garden stopping you from doing what every other platform easily
does (just watch Alan Browne) or the iKooks claim that anything every other
operating system does isn't needed nor wanted by any of the billions of iOS
owners (just watch nospam).
If you ask why Apple does the bad things that Apple does (e.g., throttling
and removing functionality such as the common industry standard headphone
ports), they'll blame every other company on the planet saying all those
companies forced Apple to do all the bad things Apple does (like removing
the charger from the box).
Note it's EVERYONE that they sadistically send on wild-goose chases.
If you search for that keyword, for example, you'll find many.
Even David Empson and Michelle Steiner got sick of the low-IQ ignorant
uneducated iKooks always sadistically sending people on wild goose chases
such as when Jolly Roger and nospam repeatedly claimed - for years - that
iOS could back up the IPA like Android does - but it can't (the entire IPA
backup process is so primitively non functional compared to that of every
other operating system that David Empson had to chastise the ignorant
iKooks many times).
There are good people in this world who do care to help people, but the
iKooks are not good people. They're despicable pieces of human excrement.
It's not so much that they're uneducated (Jolly Roger tried three times to
get his GED and failed) nor that they're brazen liars (nospam claims
thousand of apps that simply don't exist) nor that they're shockingly
ignorant (Alan Browne has never in his entire life ever heard of the walled
garden)... it's not that.
It's that they're all sadistic religious zealots who will lead any innocent
user astray on purpose - hell - they lied for years that Apple supported
more than one release when they knew Apple only supports a single release.
Eveyrthing out of the iKooks is a lie.
Nothing they ever say is to be helpful.
It's as if the iKooks are religious zealots who are so sadistically
inclined that they will lead anyone and everyone astray if those innocent
people dare to ask a question which puts iOS in a bad light.
And, unfortunately for the iKooks, given iOS can't do thousand upon
thousands upon thousands of useful things all other operating systems
easily do - they have to make every thread that should be one post into a
hundred because of their sadistic perverse lies.
BTW, I've done multiple experiments comparing the child-like Apple
newsgroups to the adult operating system newsgroups by asking the EXACT
SAME QUESTION on both newsgroups - and it's _always_ the Apple newsgroups
that devolve almost instantly into the sadistic child-like lies.
Jolly Roger -> viciously attacks anyone who dares to say the truth
nospam -> fabricates thousands of apps for each function iOS can't do
Alan Browne -> ignorantly claims Apple supports all operating systems
Joerg Lorenz & Alan Baker -> can't contribute one iota of value to anything
If those five people were removed from the child-like Apple newsgroup,
instantly the level of discourse would rise to that of the adult OS ngs.
--
I have only two purposes on Apple newsgroups - one is to learn and dispense
knowledge and the other is to show the sadistic iKooks for what they are.
Jolly Roger
Sep 6, 2023, 11:37:15 AM9/6/23
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On 2023-09-06, Jörg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 05.09.23 um 02:02 schrieb Jolly Roger:
>> On 2023-09-04, Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully
>>>> patched older releases".
>>>
>>> Heh heh heh...
>>
>> Little Arlen can't back up his lies, so he giggles and slings
>> schoolyard insults instead. =
>
> You seem to be the bigger Troll than Arlen.
🤣 Good one!
> Am 05.09.23 um 02:02 schrieb Jolly Roger:
>> On 2023-09-04, Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully
>>>> patched older releases".
>>>
>>> Heh heh heh...
>>
>> Little Arlen can't back up his lies, so he giggles and slings
>> schoolyard insults instead. =
>
> You seem to be the bigger Troll than Arlen.
Alan
Sep 6, 2023, 12:26:57 PM9/6/23
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On 2023-09-06 10:09, rdh wrote:
> Why are you so upset about what other people are using? Who are you
> trying to convince, us, or yourself?
>
I wouldn't bother with Arlen, RDH (yes: he's gone by many, MANY nyms
> Why are you so upset about what other people are using? Who are you
> trying to convince, us, or yourself?
>
over the years)...
...not for anything other than amusement.
Chris
Sep 6, 2023, 12:51:06 PM9/6/23
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nymshift quite so often. He claims it's for "privacy" but that's just
bullshit.
Alan
Sep 6, 2023, 1:02:21 PM9/6/23
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The troll stopping trolling is success.
The troll choosing to troll under a new nym is failure.
Alan Browne
Sep 6, 2023, 3:33:31 PM9/6/23
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Jolly Roger
Sep 6, 2023, 7:40:15 PM9/6/23
to
mentally ill individuals like Arlen.
Wally J
Sep 7, 2023, 3:25:35 PM9/7/23
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
> That's nowhere near a universal truth - especially when it comes to
> mentally ill individuals
The _adult_ point of this thread is that iKooks for years claimed Apple
fully patched older releases for known holes (which was NEVER the truth).
Either the iKooks were completely ignorant (for years!) that Apple fully
patches *only a single Mac & iOS release* - or - the iKooks brazenly lied.
Pick one.
> That's nowhere near a universal truth - especially when it comes to
> mentally ill individuals
fully patched older releases for known holes (which was NEVER the truth).
Either the iKooks were completely ignorant (for years!) that Apple fully
patches *only a single Mac & iOS release* - or - the iKooks brazenly lied.
Pick one.
Alan
Sep 7, 2023, 4:07:02 PM9/7/23
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On 2023-09-07 15:26, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> That's nowhere near a universal truth - especially when it comes to
>> mentally ill individuals
>
> The _adult_ point of this thread is that...
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> That's nowhere near a universal truth - especially when it comes to
>> mentally ill individuals
>
...you're a well-known troll who has to shift to a new nym every few
weeks not to be ignored completely?
:-)
Alan
Sep 7, 2023, 4:10:35 PM9/7/23
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On 2023-09-06 12:51, Chris wrote:
BECAUSE he shifts it cannot work.
So I battle with him a different way:
Ridicule.
Alan
Sep 7, 2023, 4:11:34 PM9/7/23
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You really think that?
Have you seen the slightest sign of that happening?
Alan Browne
Sep 7, 2023, 6:02:33 PM9/7/23
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Alan Browne
Sep 7, 2023, 6:03:52 PM9/7/23
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So - willing to give it a go until Oct 31?
You too nospam?
Wally J
Sep 8, 2023, 7:20:14 AM9/8/23
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Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote
> It used to be standard practice with trolls and quite effective.
> So - willing to give it a go until Oct 31?
> You too nospam?
It's quite illustrative how fearful the iKooks are of the simple truthful
observation that these iKooks were either completely ignorant that Apple
only fully supports a single release (or that the iKooks lied about it).
*For _years_ iKooks were either ignorant of the truth - or they lied*
Alan Browne => is always ignorant as he's never read a thing about Apple
nospam => always deflects the truth about Apple with his 7 main excuses
Jolly Roger => always viciously attacks the bearer of truth about Apple
If those three people left the child-like Apple newsgroups, instantly the
level of discussion would start approaching that of adult OS newsgroups.
--
My goal on Apple newsgroups is to learn & disseminate valuable information
about Apple products - and secondly - to expose iKooks for what they are.
> It used to be standard practice with trolls and quite effective.
> So - willing to give it a go until Oct 31?
> You too nospam?
observation that these iKooks were either completely ignorant that Apple
only fully supports a single release (or that the iKooks lied about it).
*For _years_ iKooks were either ignorant of the truth - or they lied*
Alan Browne => is always ignorant as he's never read a thing about Apple
nospam => always deflects the truth about Apple with his 7 main excuses
Jolly Roger => always viciously attacks the bearer of truth about Apple
If those three people left the child-like Apple newsgroups, instantly the
level of discussion would start approaching that of adult OS newsgroups.
--
My goal on Apple newsgroups is to learn & disseminate valuable information
about Apple products - and secondly - to expose iKooks for what they are.
badgolferman
Sep 8, 2023, 12:33:54 PM9/8/23
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Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>> It used to be standard practice with trolls and quite effective.
>> So - willing to give it a go until Oct 31?
>> You too nospam?
>
> It's quite illustrative how fearful the iKooks are of the simple truthful
> observation that these iKooks were either completely ignorant that Apple
> only fully supports a single release (or that the iKooks lied about it).
>
> *For _years_ iKooks were either ignorant of the truth - or they lied*
>
> Alan Browne => is always ignorant as he's never read a thing about Apple
> nospam => always deflects the truth about Apple with his 7 main excuses
> Jolly Roger => always viciously attacks the bearer of truth about Apple
>
> If those three people left the child-like Apple newsgroups, instantly the
> level of discussion would start approaching that of adult OS newsgroups.
Is this what would ultimately satisfy you or is there something else you
> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>> It used to be standard practice with trolls and quite effective.
>> So - willing to give it a go until Oct 31?
>> You too nospam?
>
> It's quite illustrative how fearful the iKooks are of the simple truthful
> observation that these iKooks were either completely ignorant that Apple
> only fully supports a single release (or that the iKooks lied about it).
>
> *For _years_ iKooks were either ignorant of the truth - or they lied*
>
> Alan Browne => is always ignorant as he's never read a thing about Apple
> nospam => always deflects the truth about Apple with his 7 main excuses
> Jolly Roger => always viciously attacks the bearer of truth about Apple
>
> If those three people left the child-like Apple newsgroups, instantly the
> level of discussion would start approaching that of adult OS newsgroups.
prefer?
Alan
Sep 8, 2023, 12:42:00 PM9/8/23
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His thirs for attention is unquenchable.
You're Kidding
Sep 8, 2023, 1:46:29 PM9/8/23
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weak iOS, disses users/supporters of Apple products, has cross posted posts
involving iOS on Mac newsgroups, and mentions how they are so superior to
other posters, you know it is Arlen. Even if it is sin't, you are better of to
ignore the poster. In my opinion, you are just as weak as they are, when you
respond, He preys/thrives on users responding to his hyperbole, name calling,
and reguritating the same crap over and over again. I started to read and post
in newsgroups, looking to help others or gaining insight through others posts.
Many of the news groups, outside of Advocacy where it is appropriate, have
turned mostly into a battleground for Arlen and those who respond to him.
I rarely read (maybe twice a month) the Mac, iPad, and iPhone related
newsgroups anymore and when I do, I kill file any with Arlen content. Which
could be a bad thing, as he might occasionally mention something worth while.
It might be mixed somewhere in his posts, but I find his name calling and
barfing the samething over and over again too much to wade through to find
that small mention of something positive, that I might be able to use.
Repeating his posts don't assist me either.
YK
Alan
Sep 8, 2023, 2:00:42 PM9/8/23
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You claim your way can work, and I suppose you're correct, but it takes
constant effort on your part to make that happen.
I got tired long ago of constantly updating killfiles, so I handle it in
a way that suits me.
Wally J
Sep 8, 2023, 5:16:08 PM9/8/23
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badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote
>> If those three people left the child-like Apple newsgroups, instantly the
>> level of discussion would start approaching that of adult OS newsgroups.
>
> Is this what would ultimately satisfy you or is there something else you
> prefer?
Hi badgolferman,
That's a good question - where I think you are asking a valuable question.
You have to keep in mind these three iKooks are despicable pieces of shit.
nospam => has no compunction brazenly fabricating apps that don't exist
JR => feels no remorse by viciously attacking anyone who speaks the truth
Alan Browne => claims facts can't exist that he's completely unaware of
With respect to your question, if I answer it directly, of course I don't
expect these three despicable pieces of human excrement to leave this ng.
Nor do I expect these three sadistically evil people to change their ways.
There's no good inside of any of them - only vicious ignorant childishess.
But they love to spew their religiously inculcated yet wholly fabricated
imaginary belief system about their beloved Apple products on this ng.
They have been saying (for years!) that Apple supports the older releases,
for example, when that is not true (and when that has _never_ been true).
I simply provided the facts - with multiple well-respected URLs, one of
which is from Apple herself - which even then - iKooks _still_ disputed.
Note that their imaginary belief system is so strong that tehy can't
believe everything they've said (for years!) has never once been true.
Worse, they are so religiously defensive with the truth about Apple leaking
out, that they _hate_ the bearer of truth (witness Alan Browne's posts!)
These uneducated ill-meaning iKooks are literally _afraid_ of the truth.
Which makes them deathly afraid of someone like me - who only speaks truth.
Even nospam has called for my murder simply because he was proven wrong.
Rod Speed did so even more brazenly, for which I contacted the FBI about.
So, to answer your thoughtfully posed question, I do not ask for the three
of them to leave this newgroup - simply because it's unrealistic to do so.
These uneducated ignorant low-IQ iKooks hate me.
So be it.
*I will continue to expose the iKooks for what they are*
>> If those three people left the child-like Apple newsgroups, instantly the
>> level of discussion would start approaching that of adult OS newsgroups.
>
> Is this what would ultimately satisfy you or is there something else you
> prefer?
That's a good question - where I think you are asking a valuable question.
You have to keep in mind these three iKooks are despicable pieces of shit.
nospam => has no compunction brazenly fabricating apps that don't exist
JR => feels no remorse by viciously attacking anyone who speaks the truth
Alan Browne => claims facts can't exist that he's completely unaware of
With respect to your question, if I answer it directly, of course I don't
expect these three despicable pieces of human excrement to leave this ng.
Nor do I expect these three sadistically evil people to change their ways.
There's no good inside of any of them - only vicious ignorant childishess.
But they love to spew their religiously inculcated yet wholly fabricated
imaginary belief system about their beloved Apple products on this ng.
They have been saying (for years!) that Apple supports the older releases,
for example, when that is not true (and when that has _never_ been true).
I simply provided the facts - with multiple well-respected URLs, one of
which is from Apple herself - which even then - iKooks _still_ disputed.
Note that their imaginary belief system is so strong that tehy can't
believe everything they've said (for years!) has never once been true.
Worse, they are so religiously defensive with the truth about Apple leaking
out, that they _hate_ the bearer of truth (witness Alan Browne's posts!)
These uneducated ill-meaning iKooks are literally _afraid_ of the truth.
Which makes them deathly afraid of someone like me - who only speaks truth.
Even nospam has called for my murder simply because he was proven wrong.
Rod Speed did so even more brazenly, for which I contacted the FBI about.
So, to answer your thoughtfully posed question, I do not ask for the three
of them to leave this newgroup - simply because it's unrealistic to do so.
These uneducated ignorant low-IQ iKooks hate me.
So be it.
*I will continue to expose the iKooks for what they are*
badgolferman
Sep 8, 2023, 5:24:08 PM9/8/23
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Wally J wrote:
>So, to answer your thoughtfully posed question, I do not ask for the
>three of them to leave this newgroup - simply because it's
>unrealistic to do so.
>
>These uneducated ignorant low-IQ iKooks hate me.
>So be it.
Let me phrase the question a different way...
>So, to answer your thoughtfully posed question, I do not ask for the
>three of them to leave this newgroup - simply because it's
>unrealistic to do so.
>
>These uneducated ignorant low-IQ iKooks hate me.
>So be it.
From your perspective, what would it take for there to be a truce
between you and the others?
--
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." ~ Napoleon
Bonaparte
Alan
Sep 9, 2023, 12:35:04 AM9/9/23
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On 2023-09-08 14:24, badgolferman wrote:
> Wally J wrote:
>
>> So, to answer your thoughtfully posed question, I do not ask for the
>> three of them to leave this newgroup - simply because it's
>> unrealistic to do so.
>>
>> These uneducated ignorant low-IQ iKooks hate me.
>> So be it.
>
>
> Let me phrase the question a different way...
>
> From your perspective, what would it take for there to be a truce
> between you and the others?
>
He's not interested in a truce.
> Wally J wrote:
>
>> So, to answer your thoughtfully posed question, I do not ask for the
>> three of them to leave this newgroup - simply because it's
>> unrealistic to do so.
>>
>> These uneducated ignorant low-IQ iKooks hate me.
>> So be it.
>
>
> Let me phrase the question a different way...
>
> From your perspective, what would it take for there to be a truce
> between you and the others?
>
Anyone who doesn't agree with his take is an "iKook" or "not an adult".
Wally J
Sep 9, 2023, 1:22:51 AM9/9/23
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badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote
> Let me phrase the question a different way..
Hi badgolferman,
You, being an adult, can comprehend my response below, but they can't.
You're looking at this issue at too low a level, and you're asking the
adult who chastises the children for what those children did - instead of
asking the children why it is they do the despicable things that they
clearly do.
*Like brazenly lie (for years!) about Apple support that doesn't exist*
Even though I've proven, with respectable links, they lied about that.
I simply tell the facts - which is why they _hate_ me, badgolferman.
They have no _adult_ defense to the facts from security professionals:
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
They even brazenly deny the facts from Apple herself, badgolferman.
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
iOS RSR patches (only available in iOS16+):
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
Given the iKooks have brazenly lied about Apple support for years on end,
I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with them
when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them the truth.
So all they'd have to do is accept the truth, badgolferman, for me to be
civil with them - but they can't accept the truth - which is why they lie.
If these sadistic iKooks simply acted like an intelligent caring adult when
someone asks an innocent question, I'd be as civil to them as I am to you.
Do you remember I've said, many times, my responses in this newsgroup are
always a "mirror" of the intention of the post that I'm responding to?
If any of these despicable heartlessly cruel ignorant uneducated low-life
iKooks ever says something that is intentionally helpful to an innocent
person asking questions, I'll be as nice to them as I would be to you.
> From your perspective, what would it take for there to be a truce
> between you and the others?
I think you misunderstand me since I don't care who it is that says what
they say - as a header - to me - is purely meaningless wrapping paper.
Hell.... I'm convinced Jolly Roger and nospam are the same person anyway,
and, I'm still not sure who "Hank" is but he's someone else on this ng too.
I don't care what anyone's header or signature says (although Alan Browne's
"Trump" signature is hilariously apropos as it's a mirror of his own self).
Usenet is like water under the bridge to me badgolferman.
Each response is an entirely new chance - in and of itself badgolferman.
So what you really want to ask is ask the iKooks to be civil adults.
I've long ago proven by my own actions that...
If nospam was civil - I'd be civil.
If Jolly Roger were to be civil - I'd be civil.
If Alan Browne said something intelligent - I'd heartily agree with him.
All it would take for that so-called "truce" is for them to tell the truth.
nospam = Instead of lies, if he told the truth... I'd be civil.
Alan Browne = Instead of ignorance, if he said the truth... I'd be civil.
JR = Instead of vicious attacks, if he said the truth... I'd be civil.
All it takes for that so-called truce, badgolferman, is for the heartlessly
cruel unprepossessing ignorant uneducated iKooks to act like an adult.
My posts in response to their actions are a mirror of their intentions.
Hence, you're asking the wrong person for that truce.
*Ask the iKooks to simply tell the truth*
*Ask them, for example, how many releases Apple fully supports*
--
My goals on Apple newsgroups are to learn from others and disseminate value
via civil adult discouse - and to show iKooks for exactly what they are.
> Let me phrase the question a different way..
You, being an adult, can comprehend my response below, but they can't.
You're looking at this issue at too low a level, and you're asking the
adult who chastises the children for what those children did - instead of
asking the children why it is they do the despicable things that they
clearly do.
*Like brazenly lie (for years!) about Apple support that doesn't exist*
Even though I've proven, with respectable links, they lied about that.
I simply tell the facts - which is why they _hate_ me, badgolferman.
They have no _adult_ defense to the facts from security professionals:
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
They even brazenly deny the facts from Apple herself, badgolferman.
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
iOS RSR patches (only available in iOS16+):
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
Given the iKooks have brazenly lied about Apple support for years on end,
I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with them
when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them the truth.
So all they'd have to do is accept the truth, badgolferman, for me to be
civil with them - but they can't accept the truth - which is why they lie.
If these sadistic iKooks simply acted like an intelligent caring adult when
someone asks an innocent question, I'd be as civil to them as I am to you.
Do you remember I've said, many times, my responses in this newsgroup are
always a "mirror" of the intention of the post that I'm responding to?
If any of these despicable heartlessly cruel ignorant uneducated low-life
iKooks ever says something that is intentionally helpful to an innocent
person asking questions, I'll be as nice to them as I would be to you.
> From your perspective, what would it take for there to be a truce
> between you and the others?
they say - as a header - to me - is purely meaningless wrapping paper.
Hell.... I'm convinced Jolly Roger and nospam are the same person anyway,
and, I'm still not sure who "Hank" is but he's someone else on this ng too.
I don't care what anyone's header or signature says (although Alan Browne's
"Trump" signature is hilariously apropos as it's a mirror of his own self).
Usenet is like water under the bridge to me badgolferman.
Each response is an entirely new chance - in and of itself badgolferman.
So what you really want to ask is ask the iKooks to be civil adults.
I've long ago proven by my own actions that...
If nospam was civil - I'd be civil.
If Jolly Roger were to be civil - I'd be civil.
If Alan Browne said something intelligent - I'd heartily agree with him.
All it would take for that so-called "truce" is for them to tell the truth.
nospam = Instead of lies, if he told the truth... I'd be civil.
Alan Browne = Instead of ignorance, if he said the truth... I'd be civil.
JR = Instead of vicious attacks, if he said the truth... I'd be civil.
All it takes for that so-called truce, badgolferman, is for the heartlessly
cruel unprepossessing ignorant uneducated iKooks to act like an adult.
My posts in response to their actions are a mirror of their intentions.
Hence, you're asking the wrong person for that truce.
*Ask the iKooks to simply tell the truth*
*Ask them, for example, how many releases Apple fully supports*
--
My goals on Apple newsgroups are to learn from others and disseminate value
via civil adult discouse - and to show iKooks for exactly what they are.
badgolferman
Sep 9, 2023, 7:53:35 AM9/9/23
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Wally J wrote:
>I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with
>them when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them
>the truth.
I agree that civility is in short supply in this group. The question
>I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with
>them when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them
>the truth.
is who is willing to break the cycle of brazen character attacks and
treat others as they would want to be treated. Only an adult could do
that.
Who wants to be an adult and set an example?
Chris
Sep 9, 2023, 8:01:50 AM9/9/23
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evidence of cause and effect.
Without an outright ban from an ng there's not much else that's possible
against a persistent irritant. Just adjust your kf and move on.
Wally J
Sep 9, 2023, 12:29:58 PM9/9/23
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badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote
>>I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with
>>them when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them
>>the truth.
>
> I agree that civility is in short supply in this group.
Hi badgolferman,
I realize you're asking the adults how to handle the children, where what
you need to do, is ask the children why they lie about Apple iOS support.
Their brazen lies (for years!) is the cause of the problem we speak of.
Not the effect.
> The question is who is willing to break the cycle of brazen
> character attacks and treat others as they would want to be treated.
You need to understand this "cycle" starts with iKooks brazenly lying that
Apple fully supports older releases is the "cause" (it's not the effect).
> Only an adult could do that.
As an adult, you're supposed to concentrate on cause before effect.
The cause is the iKooks lie whenever they see the truth posted about Apple.
You need to fix the cause.
The cause is the iKooks brazenly lie about Apple support on this ng.
> Who wants to be an adult and set an example?
You need to focus on the cause of the problem you wish to fix - not on the
resulting effect.
The cause is what you will get when you open a thread asking this question.
*How many iOS releases does Apple say Apple fully supports?*
>>I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with
>>them when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them
>>the truth.
>
> I agree that civility is in short supply in this group.
I realize you're asking the adults how to handle the children, where what
you need to do, is ask the children why they lie about Apple iOS support.
Their brazen lies (for years!) is the cause of the problem we speak of.
Not the effect.
> The question is who is willing to break the cycle of brazen
> character attacks and treat others as they would want to be treated.
Apple fully supports older releases is the "cause" (it's not the effect).
> Only an adult could do that.
The cause is the iKooks lie whenever they see the truth posted about Apple.
You need to fix the cause.
The cause is the iKooks brazenly lie about Apple support on this ng.
> Who wants to be an adult and set an example?
resulting effect.
The cause is what you will get when you open a thread asking this question.
*How many iOS releases does Apple say Apple fully supports?*
Alan
Sep 9, 2023, 3:33:18 PM9/9/23
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So...
...asked to behave as a civil adult, that is your response.
And to be clear, NO:
The essential question is NOT:
"How many iOS releases does Apple say Apple fully supports?"
"How far back are the DEVICES fully supported?"
Adults would I'm sure agree that if any company continued to support
every device they've ever made on their most current OS, then it doesn't
matter whether or not they continue to provide updates of any kind to
older OS versions.
Apple is far from supporting every device, but the current version of
iOS supports:
Back to the iPhone 8 released 6 years ago.
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